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I posted a couple
of tweets yesterday giving my personal view of things to avoid when writing a
job application. These generated a livelier debate than I had anticipated, and
made me think further about the issues I'd raised. I've previously blogged
about getting a job as a research assistant
in psychology; this piece is
directed more at early career researchers aiming for a postdoc or first
lectureship. I'll do a separate post about issues raised by my second
tweet – inclusion of more personal information in your application. Here
I'll
focus on this one:
- Protip for job applicants: 3+ 1st author 'in prep' papers suggests you can't finish things AND that you'll be distracted if appointed
I've been
shortlisting for years, and there has been a noticeable trend for publication
lists to expand to include papers that are 'in preparation' as well as those
that are 'submitted' or 'under review'. One obvious problem with these is that
it's unclear what they refer to: they could be nearly-completed manuscripts or a set of
bullet points.
My tweet was making the further point that you need to think of the impression you create in the reader if you have five or six papers 'in preparation', especially if you are first author. My guess is that most applicants think that this will indicate their activity and productivity, but that isn't so. I'd wonder whether this is someone who starts things and then can't finish them. I'd also worry that if I took the applicant on, the 'in preparation' papers would come with them and distract them from the job I had employed them to do. I've blogged before about the curse of the 'academic backlog': While I am sympathetic about supporting early researchers in getting their previous work written up, I'd be wary of taking on someone who had already accumulated a large backlog right at the start of their career.
My tweet was making the further point that you need to think of the impression you create in the reader if you have five or six papers 'in preparation', especially if you are first author. My guess is that most applicants think that this will indicate their activity and productivity, but that isn't so. I'd wonder whether this is someone who starts things and then can't finish them. I'd also worry that if I took the applicant on, the 'in preparation' papers would come with them and distract them from the job I had employed them to do. I've blogged before about the curse of the 'academic backlog': While I am sympathetic about supporting early researchers in getting their previous work written up, I'd be wary of taking on someone who had already accumulated a large backlog right at the start of their career.
Many people who
commented on this tweet supported my views:
- @MdStockbridge We've been advised never to list in prep articles unless explicitly asked in the context of post doc applications?. We were told it makes one looks desperate to "fill the space."
- @hardsci I usually ignore "in prep" sections, but to me more than 1-2 items look like obvious vita-padding
- @larsjuhljensen "In prep" does not count when I read a CV. The slight plus of having done something is offset by inability to prioritize content.
- @Russwarne You can say anything is "in preparation." My Nobel acceptance speech is "in preparation." I ignore it.
- DuncanAstle I regularly see CVs with ~5 in prep papers... to be honest I don't factor them into my appraisal.?
- @UnhealthyEcon I'm wary if i see in-prep papers at all. Under review papers would be different.
- @davidpoeppel Hey peeps in my labs: finish your papers! Run -don't walk -back to your desks! xoxo David. (And imho, never list any in prep stuff on CV...)
- @janhove 'Submitted' is all right, I think, if turn arounds in your field are glacial. But 'in prep' is highly non-committal.
Others, though,
felt this was unfair, because it meant that applicants couldn't refer to work
that may be held up by forces beyond their control:
- @david_colquhoun that one seems quite unfair -timing is often beyond ones's control
- @markwarschauer I disagree completely. The more active job applicants are in research & publishing the better.
- @godze786 if it's a junior applicant it may also mean other authors are holding up. Less power when junior
- @tremodian All good except most often fully drafted papers are stuck in senior author hell and repeated prods to release them often do nothing.
- @DrBrocktagon But do get it out as preprint and put *that* on CV
- @maxcoltheart Yes. Never include "in prep" papers on cv/jobapp. Or "submitted" papers? Don't count since they may never appear? Maybe OK if ARKIVed
The point here is
that if you deposit your manuscript as a preprint, then it is available for
people to read. It is not, of course peer-reviewed, but for a postdoc position,
I'd be less interested in counting peer-reviewed papers than in having the
opportunity to evaluate the written work of the applicant. Preprints allow one
to do that. And it can be effective:
- @BoyleLab we just did a search and one of our candidates did this. It helped them get an interview because it was a great paper
But, of course,
there's a sting in the tail: once something is a preprint it will be read by
others, including your shortlisting committee, so it had better be as good as
you can get it. So the question came up, at what point would you deposit
something as a preprint? I put out this question, and Twitter came back with
lots of advice:
- @michaelhoffman Preprint ≠ "in prep". But a smart applicant should preprint any of their "submitted" manuscripts.?
- @DoctorZen The term "pre-print" itself suggests an answer. Pre-prints started life as accepted manuscripts. They should not be rough drafts.
- @serjepedia these become part of your work record. Shoddiness could be damaging.
- @m_wall I wouldn't put anything up that hadn't been edited/commented by all authors, so basically ready to submit.
- @restokin If people are reading it to decide if they should give you a job, it would have to be pretty solid.